Here We Go Again?
You can laugh. You can ignore it. And I am no conspiracy theorist, but just ask yourself, what if it's true?
Just sayin'.
posted by Northern Exposer at 05:48
Tuesday, March 06, 2012
You can laugh. You can ignore it. And I am no conspiracy theorist, but just ask yourself, what if it's true?
Just sayin'.
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11 Comments:
Re: "even the Democrat governor of Hawaii who swore to put this to rest couldn't find Obama's long form birth certificate."
Actually, that is not true. The Democrat governor did not say it. A birther Web site said that he said it, and he didn't say it.
Obama has shown both his short form and long form birth certificates (in contrast to the Republican candidates, who have not shown theirs). The facts on them were repeatedly confirmed by officials in Hawaii. The birth certificate is still further confirmed by the birth notices in the newspapers (which only were sent to the papers by the Department of Health of Hawaii; the papers did not accept notices from relatives or birth notice advertising in 1961). And it is still further confirmed by the witness who wrote home. And it is further confirmed by the absence of any files in Kenya (not even of Obama’s mother’s arrival) and the absence of any US government travel document for Obama or Obama’s mother in 1961. And, no, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother did not say that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview (with the Hartford Courant newspaper) that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Other research done on this issue:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/book-review-a-question-of-eligibility/#more-16786
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/obama-conspiracy-theories-blog-launches-investigation-into-sheriff-joes-cold-case-posse/
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/decoding-the-long-form-part-1/
http://www.thefogbow.com/arpaio-report/
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/03/on-the-release-of-report-from-sheriff-joe-arpaio-stating-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
The DOH of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the original birth certificate being copied onto security paper and that was the document that she gave to Obama’s lawyer. That physical copy was passed around in the White House press room and everyone there got a chance to hold it, and feel the seal. One reporter even photographed it.
Wow. Good job.
I thought I saw with my own eyes the HI gov. admitting he couldn't find it. I'll look into that (YouTube footage, etc)but as for the Republican candidates not showing their BC's, I don't believe the origin of their birthplaces are in doubt. But, perhaps they should. OR Maybe they have but it's not really 'newsworthy."
Now all Obama has to do is release his school papers.
Re: "Now all Obama has to do is release his school papers.
Answer: Why?
There's no law that says that a president or a presidential candidate must release school papers or transcripts, and none of the Republicans have done this either.
As for the reason that the Republicans did not show their birth certificates is the assumption that their place of birth was not in doubt. Well Mitt Romney was born less than 50 miles from Canada. Obama was born in Hawaii, thousands of miles from any other country.
Yet, simply because of birther lies, a myth was created about Obama having been born in Kenya--which by the way is a totally loony idea (the trip would have been terribly expensive, difficult and risky, and there is no proof that Obama's mother took it.)
Re: "I thought I saw with my own eyes the HI gov. admitting he couldn't find it. I'll look into that (YouTube footage, etc)..."
You will not find any proof. Abercrombie DID NOT SAY IT. A birther site said that he said it, but he didn't.
Two Republicans stated that they had seen the original birth certificate in the files. And the current DOH of Hawaii stated that she had seen the original birth certificate being photocopied onto security paper, and that the copy was accurate, and that she had given that copy to Obama's lawyer. So at least three officials stated that they saw the birth certificate, and Abercrombie never said that he couldn't find it.
A fourth official must have seen the original, of course. The unnamed clerk who prepared the short form birth certificate. That is done by filling in the facts on a computer screen from THE DOCUMENT IN THE FILES.
That's all fine and good. And actually ALL Republican PRESIDENTS have released their school papers and transcripts because they have nothing to hide. For the record, I'm not defending Romney about anything. The proof of Obama's mother's trip is in David Freddoso's book "The Case Against Barack Obama" And before you try and tell me that book has been debunked check out his sources. Not made up stuff from him, but sourced interviews and news stories.
What's your opinion on (I can you can call them) "birther" lies about Sarah Palin's son not being hers but her daughter's? Will you refute those moonbat allegations. Just as much so-called "proof." And for the record, before this goes too far, if you've read any earlier post of mine on the subject, I personally DO NOT believe in all this birther crap either. I've even argued about it with others on right-wing blogs. As for the birther blogs, I find them the same as JFK, moon-landing and 9/11 conspiracies-good entertaining reads and good for a laugh.
Now you may then say, why post this and spread the B.S.? Because it's a good story and fodder for debate...as has started.
First, two wrongs do not make a right. To be sure liberals lied about Sarah Palin. That does not make it right to lie about Obama's place of birth.
It is particularly wrong to do so in the face of all the evidence and in the face of all rationality. Kenya is ten thousand miles from Hawaii. A round trip to Kenya would have cost about ten thousand dollars in today's terms, and the birther myth holds that Obama's mother (and it has been proven that Obama's father was in Hawaii on August 4, 1951) made the trip late in pregnancy. The idea that she would have made that trip at that time at that expense to a country where Yellow Fever was endemic is simply laughable.
For those of you who still believe that Obama could have been born somewhere else than in Hawaii, a question for you:
I’ll bet that you know (but, actually, you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA must have some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.
So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy there, wouldn’t they?
Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?
All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.
So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?
Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)–and yet no document has been found. Why not?
The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on it by three Republican (and several Democrat) officials, plus the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, plus the witness who remembers being told of the birth and writing home about it (to her father, named Stanley, about the unusual event of a birth to a woman named Stanley). All this is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Re: "ALL Republican PRESIDENTS have released their school papers and transcripts because they have nothing to hide..
They have? Then you could refer me to a site where one of their records is online perhaps? (Bush does not count. HE did not release his Yale transcript; it was leaked by Yale). However, if what you said was true, than you could find George Bush's transcript from Harvard Business School.
Thank you for saying that you do not believe the birther crap. Obviously I do not either.
However, there was no way of knowing what you really believed. You posted birther crap, and I responded with the facts.
And just to add fuel to the fire. What about audio of Bishop Ron Mcrae speaking to Obama's grandmother when she says she was present at his birth in Kenya? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo
What about a TV interview with her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT1PBlud8GQ&feature=related
Or the interview with the Kenyan ambassador on WRIF radio in Detroit?
http://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14&feature=related
Or when Alan Keyes (a bit of a whack-job himself I admit) said Obama was ineligible because he was not a "natural-born citizen?" to which Obama replied, "So what? I am running for Illinois senator, not the presidency?"
Now, these interviews could be faked and/or overdubbed, I grant you, but are they not worthy of discussion? Again, just things to ponder.
Re: "What about audio of Bishop Ron Mcrae speaking to Obama's grandmother when she says she was present at his birth in Kenya? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo"
Perhaps you would like to see the full transcript of that interview?
Birthers cut it off just before Obama's Kenyan grandmother (actually step-grandmother, but it doesn't matter) started saying that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said it repeatedly in that interview.
And, guess what, there is ANOTHER interview with the Kenyan grandmother, one that birthers never refer to. It was with the Hartford Courant newspaper, and in it she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in A LETTER FROM HAWAII.
Re: Ambassador. He has said that he made a mistake. He thought he was being asked about the birth place of Obama's father.
In any case, there has been NO evidence from Kenya, not a birth certificate (except for forgeries, one by a convicted forger) and no documents showing that Obama's mother was ever there.
And the Kenyan newspaper simply inserted "Kenyan-born"--but to many countries the term "French-born" or any country born refers to the parents, not to the place of birth. And that probably is what the newspaper was referring to. In any case, it did not show any proof that Obama was born there.
Re: "Or when Alan Keyes (a bit of a whack-job himself I admit) said Obama was ineligible because he was not a "natural-born citizen?" to which Obama replied, "So what? I am running for Illinois senator, not the presidency?""
Alan Keyes may be a bit of a whack-job. But HE HAS SAID that the comments alleged in the above never took place.
Poignant argument. Good enough for me. Like I said, not as though you needed to go through all of it for my benefit. But I may just use your facts to dispel this further. I hope you're right. Otherwise you, me and a whole slew of people look like complete fools.
Good job. These are the type of comments I enjoy seeing. Not just personal ad-hominem attacks I usually get (and just delete) Kudos.
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